A AAAA Adoption Attorney's Joel & Steve Kirsh Hot
Contact after adoption
I put my son up for adoption thru Buckner in 1986 and I received letters and pictures up until my son was in high school....so where did she get this idea that they can only get letters and pictures up until they are 5??? Unless they changed it over the years?
I am currently about to step into battle with Kirsh and Kirsh. The women who i got pregnant didnt want to keep the baby because she said that she couldnt support it and it would interfer with our first born who is currently 2 years old. Im not with her and havent been with her in over a year but we still had relations thats how she ended up pregnant again. Through the whole pregancy she was talking bout adoption but i told her that i would keep the baby so we signed the papers and everything before leaving the hospital. Its been 3 weeks every things been ok now im recently got another girlfriend and she is envious of the situation saying i dont take care of my kid that i focuse more on my first born then the baby. Now we live in two seperate places in indiana and made an aggrement that she would keep the baby until she was healed up and ready to work and drive and leave on her own. She was with the plan until the other female stepd into the picture. So she gave the baby up without my consent without my knowing anything. I get a call from kirsh and kirsh saying that they have the baby and i can visitation i called back no answer all day. So i find a cell number and text him he tells me that i wont win that they will set up a court date out of state. I know little about anything so Monday i am going to call and hire a lawyer because i want my son and i take care of my kids perfectly and i am only 22. Everything that my sons mother asked me for with the new baby i went and bought from infamil to babybed ect. and my family helped out alot. Like i said shes more worried bout me and my relations with other females because she wants me to be with her and i just dont want that kids or not. Kirsh and Kirsh can try all they want to but i know God is behind me and i am going to get my son back from them! August 21st 2011
Very impressed wth services
My husband and I were very impressed by the professionalism and competence portrayed by all the staff at K&K when we had a whirlwind 2week match with an expectant mother in February of 2011. We made 2 trips from NY to bring our son home and we were throughly impressed with how easy K&K made the entire process. In several ways, it was easier to work with them than with our home agency and they were definitely on the ball. From start to finish (including obtaining his birth certificate), everything was finalized and official in 4 months. We would definitely recommend the services of K&K and we hope to work with them again in the future!
Making dreams come true
I am always telling my husband how I should be an advocate for Kirsh and Kirsh and our daughter should be the poster child for adoption. We mainly worked with Steve and at times he gave me such comforting words over the phone as he guided us through the ups and downs of the adoption process. We have referred several people to them, one of whom was able to adopt a beautiful little boy. This is a family organization, and that is how I felt I was always treated when I called there. I will never forget the time we "got the call" and we were so thrilled when we stopped by their office to show off our beautiful little girl. We cannot thank them enough for making our dreams come true. Keep up the good work!!!!
Recommending Steven Kirsh will do no good for my family.
I'm reading these glowing recommendations about Steven Kirsh from some people on this site and I would have to disagree even though I've never met the man. Here is my family's experience with Steven Kirsh. I was diagnosed with endometriosis and lost both ovaries three months before my wedding. We did an internet search looking for adoption attorneys and like some people say Kirsh & Kirsh appeared to be considered the best so that's why we contacted Kirsh & Kirsh. We read the website in the adoptive parent section and it said at the time to contact Kirsh & Kirsh for a CD and then adoptive parents could schedule a free consultation. We received the CD and my husband called to schedule the free consultation.
The person who answered the phone asked him questions and she did not schedule the meeting. We never heard from the office after that so my husband kept calling and leaving messages and finally only then did the great Steven Kirsh himself call to tell my husband that he did not want us as clients. Then Mr. Kirsh and my husband exchanged several e-mails and nowhere in Mr. Kirsh's e-mails were the kindness, caring and compassion that I am reading on these reviews. One remark that really irritated me was he asked my husband if he would prefer that we take time off from work for the NORMAL initial meeting only then to be told that he did not want us as clients? Well, Mr. Kirsh yes I would have preferred that. That is our choice if we want to take time off from work to meet with an adoption attorney.
Mr. Kirsh had NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in talking with us and learning anything about our life. Our life is an open book and he could have access to anyone or any information about our life. So like I said in my subject line people can recommend Steven Kirsh all they want but how will these recommendations do my family any good? Steven Kirsh REFUSED to talk with or see my family even for an intial consultation. So my question is where was the kindness, caring and compassion for my family?
Mr. Kirsh that is not exactly true
You have not only forced mothers but fathers as well. I discovered two cases where you fought the fathers hard fast and furious. In one of these cases, the adoptive parents backed out. What did you guys do. You went and got another set of adoptive parents. Instead of doing the right thing, you did the wrong thing.
On top of that you fight adoptee access in the state of Indiana. You are one of the worst of the worst in Indiana. Even do primetime advertising when no one else can.
They are the best!
I want to say upfront that Steve and Joel were not our attys - they were the attys for our sons birthparents.
I have to say how impressed i was by the compassion from these men. It was Joel who met our son's birthparents at the hospital for the signing of the papers. It was 13 days after his birth. He treated the birthparents, individuals who by their choices but my son's life at risk, with complete respect and compassion. I had never heard their names before our son's birthfather told us he had looked into an atty and that they had chosen these gentlemen. I know my son's birthparents felt they made the right choice.
My son's birthparents told us that they wanted no contact - yet Joel told us that we should send pictures to their offices in case they changed their mind. It was clear to us as the AP's that he had his clients interests - not ours at heart.
After watching them at work - i have refered them to AP's and BP's alike. In indiana I dont think you can find two classier gentlemen to work with.
I also must say that I think Dee Dee's comment on the $40,000 adoption was just meant to be inflamatory. Indiana laws are quite clear on the cost of things. I can tell you exactly what Kirsh and Kirsch made for the adoption as I was the one that paid the bill for our adoption - it was $4,700. Most of the money went to pay for our birthmothers health bills and her allowable expenses.
I hope Dee Dee heals. As for Kirsh and Kirsh I will continue to recommend these attys.
Spence-Chapin is Wrong...Not good for children
If you are a pregnant woman and thinking about adoption, we know you are dealing with many issues and need information to help you make the best choice for you and your child. Our pregnancy services are free and our counselors can help you think through all of your options including parenting your child yourself or placing your child with an adoptive family.
Such is the case of Mary Battle, my Natural/Birth Mother. She came in as a young African American mother, with her first born and Spence-Chapin promised her all kinds of empty things. They led Mary Battle to believe that her first born son was in good hands.
They placed Mary Battle's son in an abusive home that almost killed him. Eating human waste by force and having to drink water from the toilet bowl does not make for a healthy environment.
I ran away at 14 years of age and suffered greatly. I literally froze on the streets during the winter months and ate out of all kinds of garbage cans. I called Spence-Chapin as a homeless teen and they told me to go back to my adopted mother's home.
Mary Battle has no idea what happened to her son and Spence-Chapin made it possible that she will never know. Let us change that and protect every child from abuse.
Respectful & Ethical
I've recently read the reviews from DeeDee and Lynn. After DeeDee's first post I privately wrote her to offer grief counseling services (at no cost to her of course). A former client wrote her and recommended this to her as well. We have not heard from her. It appears that it may not be grief that is motivating her, which is disconcerting. Our agency has provided professional counseling services, including options counseling, to expectant women/couples and birth parents for well over a decade. K&K refer women and couples to us and we provide counseling and social services to the majority of women who are connected with prospective adoptive parents through their practice. Steve & Joel encourage all women to seek pre/post-placement counseling. They even have them review and sign a form titled "Why Counseling is Important." Women have the right to refuse counseling; it appears this is what DeeDee chose. Counseling is always available to every woman at no cost to her. I've personally been with Steve & Joel during hundreds of consent signings. I know the mantra well. They review all of their rights with them, clearly tell them they are under no obligation to proceed at this time and that they have the right to parent this child if they choose. They explain the permanence of adoption and Indiana law related to consents. They encourage them to "only sign" if they understand and are ready to proceed. We have walked out of many consent signings because the woman needed more time or chose not to proceed. That is their right and Steve and Joel wish them well. The women we have worked with over the years respect and admire Steve and Joel. Women often tell me that Steve & Joel treat them with respect and compassion. They laugh at how many times Steve and Joel remind them that "they are under no obligation to proceed." Because of this I find it hard to reconcile DeeDee's recounting of her story with who I know them to be as professionals, and as men.
Great experience with Kirsh and Kirsh
We worked with Kirsh and Kirsh in adopting our two boys. Though adoption brings up a myriad of feelings for all involved, we feel like each experience is a story we are happy and proud to share with our children.
From the time we started the whole process, Steve Kirsh and all the staff were supportive without sugarcoating things, an approach we appreciated. When we reached a point where a birthmother asked for more information on us, Steve made it clear that this was not about saying the "right" thing in order to be chosen, but instead, about providing information so that the birthmother could make a decision that was a good fit for the her, the baby, and the adoptive parents.
We have an open adoption with both our boys, meaning that we are in open communication with their birthmoms and have occasional visits. This was not demanded by them but it was how our relationship evolved. While I don't personally know everything that these wonderful women went through on their path to adoption, I can say with confidence that both of them arrived at their decision on their own, and were grateful for the help of Kirsh and Kirsh during a difficult time in their lives. For each of them, making an adoption plan was not an easy choice but it was definitely a loving choice.
It's been just over five years since our first adoption. We still have such strong positive feelings for Kirsh and Kirsh and everyone there has a special place in our hearts. We highly recommend them to everyone we know who considers adoption, whether adoptive parents or birth parents.